A Question of Chemistry - "Whose Team is the Miami Heat"?
On most championship teams, there is a "go to" player, who has the ball in his hands at "winning time". For the Lakers, it's Kobe Bryant, for the Celtics, Paul Pierce, for the Spurs, Tim Duncan, and for the Heat, at least until this season, Dwyane Wade.
This has been a popular topic on NBA websites, with thousands of comments posted on ESPN, and a current debate on Slam Online.com with their "article" " on Reggie Miller's take - which is actually just 4 sentences, as quoted from the Herald:
"Dwyane Wade is the Derek Jeter here. LeBron James is the Alex Rodriguez. One of those guys will have to sacrifice, and it will have to be LeBron. This is still Dwyane’s team."’
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2010/09/reggie-miller-on-heat-this-is-still-dwyanes-team/
I've seen a fair amount of debate on this subject in the last couple of months here, and with lots of time left until training camp, I'm hoping for an interesting discussion, given the lack of any news. Primarily the arguments fall into a few main categories:
1. LeBron joined the Heat, so it will be Wade's team
2. LeBron is the best player in the league, so it will be his team
3. Other, including an equal sharing of responsibilities, Mickey Arinson, Erik Spolestra, etc.
Personally, I am in the group that thinks LeBron doesn't deserve alpha status after that pathetic showing in the Celtics series in games 4-6, no matter how well he plays with the Heat. I also don't think there's any chance of him averaging a triple double as has been bandied about by his fans.
As well, I have a real concern that it will be a decided challenge for Wade and LeBron to adjust to a lesser role offensively than what they have been used to for virtually their entire careers - particularly in crunch time.
But it's the opinions of the PIM readers I'm looking for.
What do you think?
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what are u kidding me this shit should not be a question this is wades team
and i dont give a fuck what anybody says wade is the best player on the team and in the league
Wade's County, Wade's House
LeBron is the 2nd best player on this team… and yes he will average, or come really close to averaging, a triple double.
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I missed this one
I saw where thiis is a huge joke on SSR – did someone post RAILLY as a typo?
(Inquiring minds want to know)
by nba is the worst on Sep 8, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Here it is:
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2010/7/6/1555562/will-the-free-agents-all-get
basically, some maniacal laker fan ( or perhaps monroe himself) decided to make an all caps post talking about how the heat are out to get the lakers. read the comments. it’s really quite hilarious.
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by nba is the worst on Sep 12, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
D-Wades house for sure.
When it comes to the final shot it doesn’t matter who takes it – defences are going to have issues running defence at one of them, let alone two…
Everyone knows Kobe takes the Lakers last shot (same as MJ for the Bulls) – could be either DWade or Lebron on a given night as long as they make the shot, and as long as they take a smart shot (looking at you Lebron…)
"Great effort springs naturally from great attitude" - Pat Riley
"Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships" - Michael Jordan
"You show me one team, one GM, one person, one organization that wouldn't jump at the opportunity to take a Chris Bosh, a LeBron James, a Dwyane Wade together, and I'll show you a liar." - Dwyane Wade
I agree - but here's a sample of those who disagree (from the link)
Jukai Posted: Sep.6 at 3:51 pm
Anyone who says Wade is a better leader either doesn’t watch basketball or hates Lebron. Fer real.
The team dynamic for me is obvious: In the huddle, it will be Wade, giving emotional speeches, patting role players on the back, getting players pumped to win games
On the FLOOR, it will be Lebron. All Lebron. Lebron leads his team like an orchestra, both offensively and defensively. Dude will be the only voice on the court, and Wade will do whatever Lebron says.
So who is the real leader: the guy who speaks in the huddle or the guy who speaks on the floor?
tavoris Posted: Sep.6 at 5:21 pm
@Jukai-well said. Lebron is ALREADY the biggest name in Miami. He’s the alpha of alpha dogs in the NBA for damn good reason. Wade knows it. Spolestra knows it. Riley knows it.
However, Bosh will get a lot of open end-of-game looks with all the attention Lebron and Wade command. Plus, he’s a better shooter and free-throw shooter than both of them.
by nba is the worst on Sep 7, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
some people have NO IDEA
ESPN has hyped LeBron up so much that they are blind to the talents of other players. Dwyane Wade is the best player on this team and is actually proven… It’s his team, no matter what the LeBron homers say.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Sep 7, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Some people also need to stop watching the ball during games – what happens off ball determines greatness just as much. Lebron isolates too much, doesn’t post, doesn’t set screens… there are a ton of things he could improve on that DWade does already. The fact is that what Lebron does do he does fantastically and you see it in highlight reels everywhere.
If I was starting a team from scratch my first choice would be DWade no doubt.
If I was choosing someone in a pickup game it would be Lebron.
"Great effort springs naturally from great attitude" - Pat Riley
"Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships" - Michael Jordan
"You show me one team, one GM, one person, one organization that wouldn't jump at the opportunity to take a Chris Bosh, a LeBron James, a Dwyane Wade together, and I'll show you a liar." - Dwyane Wade
?????????/
so are you telling me James wont take a charge
LETS GO HEAT!!!!!!!
Joel Anthony is the man
Henne please don't be good be Great
I blame management/coaching in Cleveland for a lot of this.
There was never any real point guard, any real low post scoring threat, and no other go to guy on the perimeter for Lebron at any time he was there. Mo Williams was the closets thing to a PG they had and he is somewhere between a one and two—and was not always there in terms of consistent scoring. By design the whole thing was flawed with Lebron surrounded by a bunch of mid-range and long-range shooters. Lebron was a point forward basically who has averaged around 9 rebounds and 7 assists per game to go with his scoring during his career and has improved his defense a great deal since he started out—he was second in voting for defensive player of the year last year. When Wade has the ball, I could see Lebron posting up and setting screens if the coaches lead the way.
7 assists per game, yes, but...
rebounds, no.
His career avg is 7.0 rebounds per game as well
by nba is the worst on Sep 8, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, your right--regular season (27.8 pts, 7 rebounds, and 7 assists)
Career playoff average is 29.4 pts, 8.4 rebounds, and 7.3 assists per game.
Funny!
Kind of ironic as well – your name (the dee of dees), “D of D’s”, referring to the temporary change from Dade County to Wade County…
As can be seen from the poll, it’s far from unanimous.
Coach Spoel needs to lead the team in this subject and make it clear who gets the ball in crunch time, or there could be problems…
by nba is the worst on Sep 7, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I do think the ball will be in Lebron's hands a lot of the time...
like it was in Cleveland and if someone averages close to a triple double as a lot of people are thinking he might, then I see this pairing of them as being equals with all things considered. As far as the last second shot, I think either will get the shot. I look at this team as being built like the 90’s Bulls but potentially better, because Lebron is like Magic on offense and Pippin of defense. Besides the recent Pistons and great Bulls teams, all NBA champs over the last thirty years have had a dominant offensive low post scorer which answers a lot of the questions for both Lebron in all his time in Cleveland—Z was never a great low post scorer and Shaq was past his prime—and Wade since Shaq left. Look at Kobe, a great player no doubt, but when he did win championships, he had the most dominant low post scorer both times respectively. The Bulls did not have a dominant point guard or center and dominated. But, it will be interesting to see how the offense is worked out in camp and run during the season. I think this issue is certainly for the fans and pundits. I think these guys came together to win championships and will do whatever it takes.
Regarding dominant offensive low post scoring and the '04 Pistons
Wallace and Sheed were a 2-headed monster inside for the Pistons, averaging 21.8 on .465 FG shooting and 21.4 rebs vs Shaq and an injured 40-yr old Karl Malone.
As for the Bulls, their centers had size and rebounding if not scoring with CartwrightPerdue at 7’1" /7’0" and then Longley/Wennington at 7’2"/7’0".
Considering this, I can’t really see how the Heat are serious contenders with the current roster – they have no quality low post scoring OR rebounding threats, because Bosh doesn’t play in the post.
by nba is the worst on Sep 7, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
No dominant center or pf in terms of low post scoring is a fair question to bring up.
But, the Bulls did not have a dominant low post scorer or rebounder at center. Cartwright averaged 9 pts, and 6 rbs and Longley averaged about the same—Heat have size with Z who averaged 5 rb last year and Anthony. As I said I think the Heat are in the mold of the 90’s Bulls more specifically the 91-92 Bulls with Jordan/Pippin/Grant with the potential to be even better because Lebron has a lot more offensive ability than Pippen (more like Magic) but can play good D as well. Bosh is very similar to Grant—very athletic, good rebounder with both getting 10+, and good mid-range shot. Most of the rebounding for the early Bull came from MJ/Pippin/Grant. Miller and House are good long range shooters who should get plenty of wide open shots. The potential is there and I think these guys are all about winning and will make it happen as the Celtics and Lakers began to fade like in the early 90’s. The Celtics are ancient, and Kobe is a very old 32.
As for the "go-to guy in crunch time"
I’d still pick Dwyane Wade over LeBron James any day. I mean, who here can honestly say that LeBron is more clutch than Wade? Seriously? Dwyane Wade had more ‘Kobe’ moments in the past 2 seasons than LeBron had in his entire career. When Wade takes the court in crunch time, some serious magic happens on court. He’s more motivated to come out with a burst of scoring than LeBron. Also, I think with their roles, LeBron will be dominating the offense in the first half. Then he’ll rest quite a bit in the 3rd, maybe even give Bosh a chance to shine in the 3rd. And Wade will be there to handle the Heat not only in the 4th with his outburst of scoring, but in the whole game with his playmaking. Wade’s team, no matter who comes down to South Beach.
Hmmm...
We’ve got two of the three best players in the NBA, both of whom are completely unselfish in their approach to the game. I know a lot of people think this will be an issue, but I just don’t see it that way. There will be plenty of Steve Kerr moments to go around. As for the Heat lacking that dominant post presence, this is true. However, it can and will be overcome. A new chapter in the history of the NBA begins this season. The Heat are attempting to change the way the game is played. Never bet against D-Wade. And that Lebron guy’s pretty good too.
1+3+6=how many rings???
Hmmm - another ID for fake?
Imagine that!
by nba is the worst on Sep 12, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
wade
but both guys can take the last shot, just wade takes em more often, it really depends on who’s hot
even haslem has taken the last shot before
and bosh did it well in toronto
WE GOT BRANDON MARSHALL!!!!!
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im sure miller is a pretty good option, too
WE GOT BRANDON MARSHALL!!!!!
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"Violence is not the answer, it's the question; the answer is YES!!!"
Haslem has proven clutch for us,
Chalmers was pretty clutch, in college.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Sep 8, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
yea, i know, i mentioned haslem in the first of two comments...
…but i dont trust chalmers yet…
WE GOT BRANDON MARSHALL!!!!!
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This is Wades team for now
Wade is at his peak right now and will be for the next two years. By that time lebron will be peaking. yes people he hasn’t even played his best basketball yet. then it will still be Wades team with him respecting Lebrons “talents” and letting him take over
LETS GO HEAT!!!!!!!
Joel Anthony is the man
Henne please don't be good be Great
This is Wade's team,
However, the person with the best matchup will be taking the last shot. All you guys are talking about this, but I dont think there will be very many close games in the regular season anyway
its like Jordan and Pippen
it is simple like that – both had to play their roles: In the 90s Jordan was the head guard and Pippen was the point foward, who does the whole work for the team and opens up plays for Jordan, who could make all this well selected shots, only because of the work of Pippen and later Rodman. I ask my self: Is Lebron willing to settle down? I don’t know, but maybe they find a great mix (if Spoelstra do it in the right way) and also Bron said it before: Wade is a champion already and he respect that a lot. Wade at the other side has the makeup of a champion – dominated on his final trip, like only Jordan and Magic were able. I hope and I believe that Lebron will be the next Scottie Pippen and it was his own decision to do so! We will see a more dominating Wade, because he is more effectiv if he doesn’t have to make all that contested shots. Lebron has the chance of making a triple double season and that will most likely boost up his work ethic for rebounding and also passing the ball. His PPG will definitely go down to the 20 mark, but thats fairly enough if Bosh make 20 too and Wade does 25+.
At the end of a game I would choose Chalmers to make the big shot. He has done it before and that could be his role on the team – maybe you will laughing now but I can imagine that this guy will be the next Derek Fischer or Chauncey Billups and if 2 points are enough I would always choose Wade. He is the best in driving to the basket but must make his three-throws if he’s getting fouled. I remember LA, where he missed one and Kobe hits the bank-3 pointer to win that game. I guess DWade got a lot of nightmares after that game…. It hurts a lot and I’m only just a little Heat fan, still more a Celtics-guy… (but that switches more and more….)
I've heard Pippen called top 50, but...
You are the first person I’ve seen call him a “point forward”
by nba is the worst on Sep 10, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions
you must not be paying attention
Phil pretty much invented the “point forward” with Pippen, having him run the offense from the Small Forward position. After his run with the Bulls, he was in Portland as the “point forward,” running the show but still playing a forward position.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 10, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
On most championship teams, there is a “go to” player, who has the ball in his hands at “winning time”. For the Lakers, it’s Kobe Bryant, for the Celtics, Paul Pierce, for the Spurs, Tim Duncan, and for the Heat, at least until this season, Dwyane Wade.
The Celtics have and will continue to run end-of-game plays for Ray Allen. And KG was widely considered the best player on that team until at least his ‘09 injury, despite being the “A-Rod” to Pierce’s “Derek Jeter.” No chemistry problems there, and that’s considering those players weren’t the friends and international teammates our guys are. They would have three-peated had they not had their injury issues.
This Heat team is constructed more like those Celtics, or the Spurs. Pop has no problem letting Ginobili take the last shot, and there could even be an argument that Manu was their MVP in ‘05. Parker was actually the MVP in ’07. That’s a well-balanced team that won three titles in five years.
Is it any surprise that LeBron made the decision he did, when three of his last four playoff exits came at the hands of a team with an elite Big 3 that sacrificed personal glory to be perennial championship contenders?
Wade might be the de facto leader right now, but he is three years older with a possibly shorter career window. This team will become “LeBron’s” soon enough, and it’s obvious Wade is okay with that if it means competing for titles over the next years. These guys all know their history, and they probably don’t really care who’s the Kareem, who’s the Magic, and who’s the Worthy of the group, as long as they’re hoisting the trophy together at season’s end.
Personally, I am in the group that thinks LeBron doesn’t deserve alpha status after that pathetic showing in the Celtics series in games 4-6, no matter how well he plays with the Heat.
Give me a break. He played better in Games 1, 3, and 6 than Kobe did in any game of this year’s Finals. LeBron carried his team in ’07 to a Finals they had no business being in, was the reason they took the ’08 champion Celtics to seven games, and against the Magic in ’09 played as great as Jordan or Magic ever did in the playoffs.
Reasons 1 through 10 why the Cavs never won it all have to do with supporting cast and coaching. The regular season doesn’t matter beyond seeding and that team was never built or managed to beat elite teams in the playoffs.
I don’t doubt LeBron had some lousy games against the Celtics this year, but that was a playoff team for the ages, embarrassing everybody (almost including Kobe) with their defensive brilliance. If LeBron really could have carried the Cavs to a title, he would have done so and left a winner and a hero. But nobody could have carried that overrated team, with no #2 option, past the dangerous competition it faced.
Blah blah blah LeBron was insensitive about how he left the Cavs. Nobody is disagreeing with that point, now let’s move on and understand the logic behind it and let’s talk basketball.
Please
Anyone who has watched Lebron throughout his career in the playoffs knows he threw that series after game 3 – the only debate is regarding what his reason(s) were, with the Delonte/Gloria rumors and the “Decision” having already been made and him decididng to send an FU to the organization as being the most likely…
Tell me what changed in the Celtics’ defense between game 3 and games 4-6…
Compare his actions after the Magic loss in ’09 to those at the end of game 6 in ’10 – pretty much says it all…
by nba is the worst on Sep 11, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not really debating Game 5, I’ll never know what happened and I wouldn’t be surprised if those rumors had something to do with it. But it’s worth noting that he still had the kind of game that teams like the Lakers, Celtics, and Magic could have overcome, considering they’re actually well-balanced and constructed to face playoff competition.
LeBron actually played well in Game 4, other than attempting too many three-pointers, and turnovers were his biggest problem in Game 6, which he finished with a 27-19-10 stat line.
Put another way, Kobe can win a title shooting 25% from the field in the most important game of his career. LeBron can put up a triple-double, but his team is doomed because he shot 38%.
As for his actions after the Magic loss, the flak he got for that mixed with the realization that he would no longer have to do everything by himself probably made congratulating the Celtics a lot easier. If there were any doubts in his mind about what his “decision” would be, I think Kevin Garnett’s words to him sealed the deal.
He played well in game 4?
Let’s review – he averaged 37 ppg vs the Celtics, and proved multiple times that when he played with “normal effort”, the Celtics couldn’t contain him (like in game 3).
In game 4, ALL the Cavs starters were in double figures and Varejao had 8 pts, to just 3 Celtics.
Shaq/Varejao outscored Perkins/Sheed 25-3.
The score to start the 4th quarter was 74-72 Boston – and LeBron scores 5 pts on 2-6 shooting, the only made FG’s being layups – and one of his misses was a layup.
For the game, he was 7-18 FG (.388), 0-5 on threes for 22 pts, 9 reb, (10 less than 6’1" Rondo), 8 ast and 7 TOs, and his plus/minus "led " the Cav’s starters with -10.
That’s 15 pts below his AVERAGE vs the Celts – well under the 45 he posted in game 7 in ’08 vs a much better (championship) Celts defense, or the 42 he posted in the loss in April where he pretty much single handedly led the Cavs back from 22 points down – with a 20-pt 4th quarter…
It’s amazing the lengths people go to while defending the guy – you call that “playing well”?
by nba is the worst on Sep 14, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
He was 7-18, but minus the threes that’s 7-13. He just allowed himself to be baited into those excess threes and tried too often for the home run (which worked for Wade in his Game 4).
Every now and then even the superstars have below-average games. Statistically, you’re not always going to hit your average performance, by definition you’re sometimes going to fall short.
It wasn’t an elite performance, but it wasn’t terrible. The turnovers weren’t a surprise, considering LeBron was the primary ball-handler AND scorer for the Cavs, and the Celtics were an opportunistic defense. TOs were a problem for Wade and Kobe as well.
You really think LeBron was blowing layups on purpose?
Don’t get me started on plus/minus, any stat that shows Matt Bonner as a top 20 talent has some serious shortcomings.
Again, the point of my argument is that if Kobe puts up 22-9-8 on 39% shooting, the Lakers win every time (hell, Kobe struggles to break 45% anyway). The Celtics are invincible if just two of their Big 3 (now 4) have great performances. The Cavs were poorly constructed because they always needed LeBron to bring his A-game, and no athlete will always have it.
Which ignores that the Cavs top 5 (other than LeQUIT) > than the Celts other than Rondo
The Cavs were constructed well enough to win 66 and 61 (with resting their starters after clinching), and have HCA throughout.
If that was his only “bad game”, I might agree – but 3 in a row???
Here’s a fun exercise. Take ANY previous LeBron playoff game from the last 2 years (or even game 6 this series), and watch his 3-pt release, especially the time he takes and shooting form.
Now look at it in games 4 and 5, and then tell me you believe he wasn’t trying to miss on purpose in that 0-9 stretch.
by nba is the worst on Sep 16, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
The Cavs weren’t THAT good. Yeah, they were an above-average team, but LeBron is what elevated them. Just watch their collapse next year, even with Varejao, Hickson, Williams and company still on the roster. They’re going to drop off by over 20 wins.
You can dominate in the regular season, when you rarely play a team in consecutive games, and often aren’t getting a team’s best shot. But in a 7-game playoff series, against a good defensive scheme executed by smart veterans, you’re going to run into big trouble if you’re so dependent on one guy.
As for LeBron’s shooting form, I never really pay attention to that and you might be right, but I’ve always thought he had an inconsistent release. Maybe it was the elbow, who knows. Maybe it was a fluke, like Ray Allen missing virtually every three in the Finals after the first half of Game 2. Maybe it was the Delonte thing. Maybe it was frustration with his teammates that he allowed to boil over, rushing his play, compounding the problem.
But the reason I doubt he outright quit has to do with his competitive nature. He’s no Kobe or MJ in that regard, but every athlete is way too proud to just roll over, especially against a team he hates. If he really thought he could beat the Celtics, why wouldn’t he? Why not carry his team to a title if he thought he could, and at least leave Cleveland a winner and a hero?
Why not do just a little worse in the regular season when there’s less of a microscope, and let the 59-win Magic have home court advantage, which would at least make falling short again believable? After all, isn’t the argument that he knew where he was going even before the playoffs?
Just let it go
he has his opinion that will not change no matter what you say. Plus, he refuses to admit that some teams are not built for the playoffs (Suns, Cavs), and no matter what the regular season record is, they will fail in the playoffs. He thinks that because they were the #1 seed, they should have won. If thats the case, I have no idea why they play the games. But the bottom line is that you will not change his opinion and you are wasting your time by debating this. O, and the Cavs will drop off by more like 35 wins, proving that Lebron’s cast sucked. But nba will not acknowledge that, so give up.
Personally, I say the Delonte story seems plausible
His performance in game 3 was vintage LeBron, and the difference in game 4 was striking. But equally interewsting is comparing Delonte’s performance in games 1-3 and 4-6:
Games 1-3, Delonte shot 58.8% FG, and played almost 29 mpg.
Games 4-6, Delonte shot 8.9% FG (!), and played only 14:22 mpg, less than half the playing time.
It’s hard to believe that both players’ stats dropped off so dramatically…
by nba is the worst on Sep 17, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Leader...
Dwyane Wade.
Go to guy? Wade or Bron.
by The One Who Wears The Crown on Sep 10, 2010 9:52 PM EDT reply actions
Correction
Wade or Bron, depending on who is open.*
by The One Who Wears The Crown on Sep 10, 2010 9:52 PM EDT reply actions
I’m constantly hearing from the Heat critics that team chemistry will lead to this team’s downfall. I’m just not buying it. Chemistry is good, but people are giving it entirely too much weight. As far as what it takes to win a NBA championship, I’d say talent is maybe 80%, team chemistry is about 15%, luck is about 5%.
The weakest argument I continue to hear regarding the importance of chemistry is comparisons with the failures of USA Basketball to win gold in intl competitions in the mid 2000’s. Chemistry is lot more important in college basketball and international play because those tournament are one and done scenarios. The NBA playoffs are best 4 out of 7 series. If intl competetion was set up that way, the USA would never loose because even our “B teams” are superior in talent to the rest of the world. In the NBA playoffs elite talent wins 90% of the time.
Chemistry in a broad sense takes time to develop
TEAM offensive flow, and more importantly TEAM defensive flow over the couse of the entire game, require time together on the court to achieve.
It’s evident that LeBron’s ego is the biggest in the league – so he could cause problems if winning turns out to be more difficult than most are predicting…
by nba is the worst on Sep 11, 2010 10:32 AM EDT reply actions
They’re going to have 82 games to get it together, and since their only concern is winning a championship that’s fine. Getting a high seed for home court advantage doesn’t even require chemistry, just overwhelming talent, as teams like last year’s Mavericks showed.
Don’t forget how the Celtics were thrown together in 2007 (and those guys weren’t buddies or international teammates), were older than these guys, and had almost as many questions about defense (Ray Allen, anyone?), yet finished 66-16, with an elite all-time defense that guided them to a title.
Having made those points, I’ll go further to say that those who discount the fact that the Heat will have a very good chance of showing great chemistry since many of the players are friends and have played together. The MV3 were teammates on the gold medal Olympic team, Miller and Haslem are friends, Haslem is obviously a member of the championship team, Z is a long time friend and teammate of LBJ.Anthony, Jones and Chalmers are all leftover from last year’s team. The chemistry on this Heat team has been often underrated I believe.
How can it be rated at this point - either over- or under-?
All you can treasonably alk about is potential…
by nba is the worst on Sep 11, 2010 12:43 PM EDT reply actions
Geez, with this type of talk, you’re turning into laker fans. Lebron is the best player in the league. Who cares about stupid questions like, “who’s team is this” Lebron’s the best player, so it’s his team. I’m not sure how hard of a concept this is for some of you to grasp.
REPLY TO DONUT
by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 16, 2010 12:49 AM EDT reply actions
From the poll above, I see that 10% agree with you
Anyone who thinks he’s the “best player in the league” doesn’t care about winning titles.
by nba is the worst on Sep 16, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow, pathetic.
He’s the best player in the league. Winning titles doesn’t automatically make you the best player in the league. Being a defensive monster, passing like Nash, scoring better and more efficiently than anyone besides Durant makes you the best player in the league, especially when you lead a team that wins 25 games without you to 60+ wins a season.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 16, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone who thinks he’s the "best player in the league" doesn’t care about winning titles.
Wait, so he leaves because he realizes staying in Cleveland means he’s a longshot to ever win a title, gets criticized for that, and one of the criticisms is still that he hasn’t won a title?
You do realize it’s that line of reasoning that prompted LeBron to make the very “decision” you hate and deride, don’t you?
Or is the problem still that LeBron didn’t wait for the Cavs owner and GM to get their heads on straight and deliver a winner, like the Lakers did for Kobe? Yeah, LeBron should leave his career ambitions in the hands of people whose first and last priorities are selling tickets and T-shirts…
IMO he doesn't really care that much about winning titles
And I can’t say that I blame him if that’s his attitude – to be a multimillionaire living the high life no matter what his teams accomplish, playing with friends and being the center of attention has to be fun.
But most sports fans see winning titles as a very significant factor in determining who is “best”.
by nba is the worst on Sep 17, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
LeBron's fans think stats are paramount
I can’t agree that a guy who quit on his teammates and home area fans halfway through the Celtics series can in any way be referred to as “best”.
Defensive monster? Really? Passing like Nash?
Wow
by nba is the worst on Sep 16, 2010 10:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You are so ignorant.
He didn’t quit on his teammates, stop making things up. You seriously can’t make a real argument. You are a jealous fan that knows one of your favorite players (Kobe) is not as good as Lebron. Bye bye illogical troll.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 17, 2010 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Both to me
They are both alpha’s LBJ didn’t get MVP of the regular season twice just cause n D. Wade wasn’t the MVP of the Finals just cause they are both Alpha’s that will share the spotlight and both of them don’t mind sharing they just want to win and to win for them is being NBA Champions. Sure its D. Wade team but he himself said now I have roomates that can help take care of our home. LBJ n D.Wade r both the leaders of the team CB1 is after that. Some nights one may have a better night than the other but thats a problem both of them would have loved to have last year. Lets go Miami Heat!!!!!!!!

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