Carlos Arroyo confirms return to Heat
by David Dwork on Jul 21, 2010 4:54 PM EDT
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Carlos Arroyo is going to be playing for the Heat again, adding depth and smart-playing stability to the point guard position. He is flying back from his native Puerto Rico and expects to formally sign a new contract sometime on Thursday. Said Arroyo of his return:
"Looking forward to a championship!!! Excited!!!!"
Arroyo will be the 2nd point guard and 13th player on the Heat's 2010-11 roster, but Miami is expected to add another guard before training camp. Summer League guys Kenny Hasbrouck and Patrick Beverly are possibilities for the job, as is former Heat PG Jason Williams. At this point, regardless of who else comes aboard...Mario Chalmers is the favorite to start.
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Gotta like his attitude
but getting hurt last week in a pick-up game – come on dude.
Ice cream is going to taste like crap in Hell.
by Kenny F'ing Powers on Jul 21, 2010 5:04 PM EDT reply actions
keep em comin
silence the naysayers. no team around the 6-3-1 eh? lulz
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by Thunder64 on Jul 21, 2010 5:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Let's hope he is the last piece of this already put together puzzle!!!
GO HEAT!!!
by Kenny F'ing Powers on Jul 21, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure you mean J Will, right Kenny
If not, you’re f’ing OUT!!
Ha
by Metro Dade Vice on Jul 21, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You know me better than that.
Always a Heat fan, but always a J Will fan too. I would just like the best of both!
by Metro Dade Vice on Jul 21, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes - J Will being the last piece.
And yes, I am a fan of both too – let’s have our cake and eat it too. I’d rather J Will retire now than have to play for anyone else.
by Kenny F'ing Powers on Jul 21, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
THANK YOU THUNDER
May the Gods let you feast when J Will is signed!!!
We need to add Hasbrouck...
he has a real plus stroke. And I’d love to see them add Beverly too, but with Arroyo on, that seems less likely.
3 assists a game and 28% from 3 point land
WHY Pat????????
by Metro Dade Vice on Jul 21, 2010 5:38 PM EDT reply actions
Because when the Celtics won the championship Rajon Rondo was their PG...
Rondo Stats Per 36 min during the Big 3’s championship year:
13 points 6 assist 26% 3 point shooting
Carlos Arroyo Per 36 min last year WITHOUT a Big 3:
10 points 5 assists 28% 3 point shooting
Seems like a fine signing to me since the Celtics won a championship that year with a similar PG stats =)
a) Arroyo is cheap (probably…maybe MLE) and could actually be signed by the heat considering the lack of money
b) Arroyo was on the team last year and started in the last 21 games, started with Wade last year, and will have chemistry with him and Chalmers (and other guys from last yrs team)
c) had the 2nd Highest A/TO ratio and turnovers could be a problem this year.
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A agree, but..
I think those stats are a little misleading. He didn’t have many turnovers because he tends to make very simple passes. He also doesn’t have 3 point range. Arroyo is an excellent mid- range shooter, but we already have Haslem and Big Z shooting from mid- range. So, he is not a great playmaker, and he doesn’t shoot from three. Even at 35, Williams can do both much better. However, I Arroyo is an excellent third pg.
I think those stats are a little misleading. He didn’t have many turnovers because he tends to make very simple passes.
How is that misleading? he has always been a good ballhandler and I would rather have a guy who does the easy passes than someone who is always trying the risky passes. The point is, with him the offense is very efficient. He takes a lot of high percentage shots and his ‘easy passes’ also end up often being high percentage shots.
He is not a great 3 point shooter but he can make the shot occasionally…Its not like Williams is that great of a 3 point shooter. He is not a good shooter in general.
I disagree and think he is a much better playmaker than Williams who is oftentimes to wild IMO for a point guard. He tries too much for the flashy play instead of the right play. He is a low percentage shooter who takes way to many 3s for just an average 3 point shooter and tries the flashy shot instead of the smart shot. I will take flashy over smart any day.
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Look at the numbers
Williams averaged a little more assists per game in a few less min per game. And he averaged 1 extra turnover every 4 games. Yes arroyo is efficient, but he will always be playing off the ball and he can’t hit a 3 point shot. It is hard to play off the ball if you can’t shoot from long distance. J Will isn’t a great 3 point shooter, but he is much better than Arroyo.
J Will isn’t a great 3 point shooter, but he is much better than Arroyo.
statistically, he actually isn’t. Arroyo also doesn’t take as many 3s. For a player that relies on shooting, less than 40% from the field in a career is pretty awful. Jason Williams takes way to many bad/low percentage shots to really be a viable option on offense. Arroyo is overall a better option on Offense. He can hit the 3, but not all that great…but Williams is not much better.
Williams is a better player in transition or on the fast break but Arroyo is a better shooter anytime else, especially in the clutch. Like I said, Williams is flashy and the stats back it up. He averages 4.5 assists for every bad pass while Arroyo averages over 10, ergo Williams has many more bad passes/turnovers.
Arroyo is just a better player in areas that aren’t always noticed. people notice 3 point shots and fancy passes. People don’t recognize the ability to draw fouls, solid rebounding from the PG position, the ability to make good decisions and not make bad passes, the ability to hit the midrange. Outside of transition, Arroyo is by far the superior player
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Arroyo disappointed me in the playoffs
After the last stretch of regular season games, I really thought the Heat had something in Arroyo. It must have just been our demonstrably weak late-season schedule, because he got thoroughly outplayed by Rondo in the playoffs. Obviously, he was outmatched, but Arroyo didn’t even come close to his effectiveness in the games prior to the Celtics. Arroyo just really didn’t show up. (Same story with Jermaine O’Neal, for that matter.)
I’ll admit the spark of a good point guard seems to be there for Arroyo, but I’m afraid he’ll be exposed again come playoff time. I’m more keen on giving Chalmers a shot — despite the fact that Chalmers’s ball-handling scares me to death.
but I’m afraid he’ll be exposed again come playoff time. I’m more keen on giving Chalmers a shot —
Jason willias was actually much worse for orlando in the playoffs last year…and for his career. He consistently shoots worse in the playoffs, passes worse, and committs more turnovers. He is a significantly worse playoff player and just had his worst playoff series of his career last year.
I agree chalmers should get some more playing time in the playoffs though.
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Williams: 38% career from 3 point land, 6+ Assists career. Enough said.
One year, maybe 2 – he teaches and mentors, wins another ring and retires. Done.
by Metro Dade Vice on Jul 21, 2010 5:46 PM EDT reply actions
BS - look at his AST/TO ratio: Enough Said!!
by Metro Dade Vice on Jul 22, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
38% career from 3???
No way. Hes like 38% career from the field in general which is abysmal. I think his 3’s are more like 34% career he was at 38% this year
He’s not some knockdown 3 pt shooter. He hits most of his in transition. Arroyo isn’t a 3 pt threat but he is excellent from midrange
Wanna prove you are a true heatfan? Remind people you lived through the Mark Blount era
the guy really doesn’t understand stats…he thought 2nd best A/TO ratio in the NBA was bad…
Williams was 38% from 3, last season. Even on good teams, he has never had that kind of shooting …I do take it with a grain of salt b/c he has never been close (and is under 33 for his career) AND he was not used much as a player.
This is why one stat doesn’t tell the story: last year per 36 minutes, Williams had career lows in points, shots taken, 3s taken, and times gotten to the line. He was a bench player not used that much on offense because of the weapons in orlando. Because of that, he was often left somewhat unguarded because of the other guys on the court and the fact he would often go up against other bench players.
Even with the big 3, I don’t think he will get as many open loks. Orlando is much deeper so they have more weapons off the bench to take the focus off of Williams…He also bombed in the playoffs…watch that shooting % plummet.
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J-will is no mentor
what makes you think he can mentor anyone? this guy is immature still at his age. he can’t play D, so he’s useless down the stretch during games, just like back in ‘06 when GP had to be used more then he should have been because of J-will inability to D up. yes i’m one of the very few in here that doesn’t believe we’ll coast into a championship, i actually think we will have to earn it because this team will have a huge target on its back in every game they play.
i don’t care of about career numbers, thats something to look at and reflect back on, i want the confidence that he can help this team and when you have 2 great passing perimeter players on the team i would rather have a guy who can handle the rock and knock down the outside jumpshot, which J-will cant do consistently.
Arroyo and Chalmers should be a good 1-2 combo at PG during the season. i don’t know who is going to be the 3rd PG, if its J-will then thats fine but 3rd pg usually don’t get playing time so i can’t see him coming if he really wants to play unless he’ll be happy sitting the bench.
Dirty Job
Why you have to go and roast Jwill like that? I’m glad you did though, cause somebody had to do it. The way people on this site are screaming for him to be signed is baffling. You would think he was Chris Paul or something.
by Put Me on the Bandwagon on Jul 22, 2010 5:43 AM EDT up reply actions
That's why me mentors D-A
He was doted by Jerry West as having the most raw basketball talent of ANY of the players he has ever seen come into the league in ’98.
Legend Hubie Brown taught him how to control his game = hence the ’06 championship backcourt. We you even alive back then Halo? Probably still in diapers.
by Metro Dade Vice on Jul 22, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
its 2010
stop living in the past, raw skils don’t mean anything if you can’t put it together. 06 backcourt i remember it being Gary Payton and D-Wade not J-will, i remember him sitting most of the bench in the 4th quarter because he was unreliable most of the time.
J-Will please.
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dont agree with you
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by Metro Dade Vice on Jul 22, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Glad to have Arroyo back...
He may not be flashy but he is a steady PG who doesn’t make mistakes and hits shots well from mid range – that goes a long way I think.
I would prefer for our last signature to be JWill – but would prefer more for it to not be McGrady, Iverson, Stackhouse or Hughes…
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agree
except maybe i would take T-mac only if he understands he’s going to be deep on the bench and wont get any min.
i hope we don’t sign: AI, that guy deserves to end up with no championships.
Problem I see with T-Mac is that after the way he kicked up a storm in Houston over playing time which got him shipped to the Knicks I don’t see him being OK with 10mins a game…
"Great effort springs naturally from great attitude" - Pat Riley
"Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships" - Michael Jordan
assuming
he signs knowing he’ll be riding the bench, i’m ok with it, if he comes here thinking that he’s going to battle for min. then i would pass. i think we’re set with our rotation: Z, Anothony, Bosh, Haslem, James, Miller, Wade, Arroyo, Chalmers. the rest are on the bench unless foul troubles, injuries, or blowouts.
Unlikely the heat get jwill
There only 2 spots left now. While i would have no problem with stackhouse and jwill on the team, id rather have young guys not dressing and practicing with the team. Only 12 guys are active per game anyways.
Anthony/Z/Magloire/Pitman
Bosh/Haslem/Howard
Lebron/Miller/Jones
Wade
Chalmers/Arroyo
The way i see it now is the guys who dont dress are Howard or Pitman and the 2 other guys they sign. Might as well be summer league guys.
SMT
I would have rather J Will resigned but I trust Riley.
Now then the third point guard should be Hasbrouck hands down.
Resign this kid.
He is a O.J Mayo that needs NBA experience period.
Sign both he and Rasual Butler!
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Will be fun..
to see who the next point guard will be.
by The One Who Wears The Crown on Jul 22, 2010 9:31 AM EDT reply actions
J Will
and then he slaps Halo in the face
by Metro Dade Vice on Jul 22, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
No J-Will
The Heat will sign one more guard and it wont be J-Will. Just not enough minutes at the PG position to split between Rio, Arroyo and a guy like J-Will. Going to have to be Hasbrouck.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
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Even if I'm rooting for J Will on another team next year AND pulling for the Heat, the bottom line is:
The Heat are going to be unstoppable for years! Nice work Mr. Riley!
by Kenny F'ing Powers on Jul 22, 2010 2:33 PM EDT reply actions
I still would not be surprised to see him get signed for a 1 year deal.
He had a great year last year until the Boston series and has the respect and confidence of D Wade, Miller and Haslem. I think that Pat may just want someone else who has won a title with him and D Wade giving some insight to the younger players while honing their passing and catching skills in practice almost daily.
We’ll see – but either way: GO HEAT and J Will: you’re a stud!
by Kenny F'ing Powers on Jul 22, 2010 3:50 PM EDT reply actions
Remember what kind of passer he turned Vlade Divac into after nearly taking his off a dozen times his first 2 years in the league with no look passes!
That can be Bosh, Pittman, Howard, and the list goes on.
I don’t think there are but about 3-4 people in the NBA that can pass like J Will, and no one else that would ever pull it off in a game other than maybe CP3
by Kenny F'ing Powers on Jul 22, 2010 3:53 PM EDT reply actions
yeah…he can make the flashy passes but he also makes the flashy turnovers too. I don’t like a guy who tries too much to make the flashy play instead of the high percentage play. J-Will is not that good of a 3 point shooter but has always taken way too many shots from there,
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J-Will or K-Has?
I think it may be a toss up between Kenny Hasbrouck and Jason Williams. If Jason Williams gets signed, its best to let Kenny Hasbrouck refine his skills in the D-League.
Jarvis Varnado may be better off in the D-League for skill refinement.
Miami Herald also reports that Eddie House and (GULP! OH NO! NOT HIM!) Kwame Brown are very interested to join our Miami Heat.
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