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Five Panic-Stricken Trades Involving Shawn Marion

You found out yesterday that I'm a little disgusted with the state of the Heat roster. For this team, as constructed, is lame. Crazy lame. Lame enough to make Dwyane Wade think that it's always going to be lame.

The plan all along has been to be aggressive in 2010 free agency. I get that, and I've always agreed with it. But we've also got to play a little defense to keep our own guy happy. And two more years of this is going to make all of us want to opt out and explore free agency.

There's no guarantee we can land anyone worth having in 2010. Most guys just re-sign with their current team so they can make more money, keep their kids in the same school and avoid having to find a new weed dealer. Players usually only leave because their current team has created such an awful situation that they can't imagine volunteering to return. A situation like the Heat are threatening to create now.

So it''s time to do something. Carpe the day. Seize the diem. Whatever. Make a damn trade. Get a center who won't get laughed out of the jump ball circle, and/or someone deserving of the spot next to Wade in the backcourt.

After the jump, a handful of ideas to cash in Marion and improve this team right now.  

Star-divide

Marion and Joel Anthony to Denver for Nene, Linas Kleiza and Chucky Atkins.

A legitimate center, a replacement for Marion and a serviceable veteran point.

Marion and Mario Chalmers to Chicago for Kirk Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas and Thabo Sefolosha.

Hinrich should be fine after a down year, Thomas would be a solid fit next to Michael Beasley and Sefolosha helps in a lot of ways.

Marion to Detroit for Rasheed Wallace and Arron Afflalo.

Maybe Wallace has worn out his welcome in Detroit. Marion/Prince is some lock-down D, is it not?

Marion to Utah for Mehmet Okur and Matt Harpring.

The Jazz player I really want.

Marion to Washington for Antonio Daniels, Etan Thomas and Darius Songaila.

Daniels would be a great fit for the Heat, and the other two guys are tall.

So there's that. I've cooled off a bit as I wrote that, but not enough to not publish it. I'm sure I'll regret it later. I look forward to seeing these trades mercilessly shredded in the comments.

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Ok, ok, I understand your team isn’t looking good, that Marion-Wade is looking less and less like the Pippen-MJ combo that Riles put them up to be. Understandably, we want to get value for Marion because he’s much more expendable and Wade is much, much more desirable on a roster and easier to build a franchise around. Now let’s take a calm and reasonable look at these options:

Denver:
I like to look at this trade from a Denver perspective, however, maybe we should ask the guys from Pickaxe. Nene is questionable, but to get a talent like Marion, maybe, however, you have to consider that if Marion couldn’t play with guys like Nash and Stoudemire, whether or not George Karl could get him to fit with AI and Melo. Additionally, that means that the Nuggets become big man shy, you’re willing to part with Joel Anthony for a reason, and you start Udonis Haslem and Mark Blount over him for a reason. Meaning, that if this goes through, you have to play K-Mart or Marion at center or start Birdman or Joel Anthony. Additionally, Kleiza will be the deal breaker. Seriously, they wouldn’t part with him for Ron Artest, why part with him for Marion if they have to give up Nene as well?

Upside: No deal

Chicago:
Doesn’t the front office really like Hinrich. I understand that he’s no longer the point man with rookie Derrick Rose there, but I’d expect Ben Gordon out of there first. Personally I think the Bulls want to get younger not older at the forwards. More likely than not a counter offer of Drew Gooden and Andres Nocioni would be thrown at you, maybe that’s not too bad of an idea. Larry Hughes? Too bad of an idea. I expect Ben Gordon to be expendable and Hinrich to slide to the 2 with Thabo backing him up. Marion would fit okay next to Deng and Noah, and he’d probably be among the top options, so he’d get a lot of touches. I’m not really convinced that there’s enough upside to make the Bulls better though. Not when Bulls front office is still high on Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas.

Upside: No deal

Detroit:
Pistons like their young men; i.e. Jason Maxiell, Amir Johnson, Rodney Stuckey, and Aaron Afflalo. I don’t know that Rasheed is as out of favor as might be perceived, and he is their starting center. I’m not sure starting Marion, McDyess, Maxiell, or Johnson at the center position is really that ideal, as much as I think Marion and Prince chasing the wings with lock down defense would be monster.

Upside: Interesting, but no deal

Utah:
The center problem again. I don’t know that Feszenko guy or Koufa Kosta are ready to step up, and the thought of Carlos Boozer at center frightens me for some reason, not in a good way. And… don’t they already have Andrei Kirilenko? What about a Marion-AK47 straight swap?

Upside: No deal

Washington:
This makes the most sense if Andray Blatche and JaVale McGee both show that Thomas is expendable, especially with Haywood out for so long. However, they haven’t really made that step yet. I’m not really sure Blatche is suited for the PF or C positions, despite that being where they play him the most often. Daniels is good, but he’s also old, but I suppose a short term solution to the point guard situation. Songaila, well, yeah, he’s tall, so’s Joel Anthony and Mark Blount (sorry, had to go there).

Upside: Maybe…

Sorry to be so dismal, how about that Memphis swap? Lemme think if I can come up with something for you, I’ll send it to your journal.

by Jaceman on Oct 15, 2008 11:22 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marion

I agree that Miami has to something. But I think you’re overestimating Marion’s trade value. Sure, he has an expiring contract, but his production declined sans Nash.

by ballerblogger on Oct 15, 2008 11:44 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Be careful...

You might end up with Shawn Marion for Eddy Curry and Jerome Jeffries or something.

by Jaceman on Oct 15, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marion trade

The greatest value Marion has (unless you are running a D’Antoni style system and he has problems with D’Antoni) is as an expiring contract. I think people are undervaluing how much a $17M expiring contract is worth in the NBA (Gasol trade anyone?). The thing is that it is going to be a patience game – I doubt he gets moved before the trading deadline when some team needs to cut costs because either they suck or the financial crisis or whathaveyou.
The problem with all of the above proposed trades is that none of those guys are real stars. if you look at Riley’s history with trades he always gambles on stars (except the disastrous Ricky Davis trade – although even then they got out of ’Toines contract but at the cost of a pick). I think Riley is going to sit back, not get desperate – easier that he is not coaching – and wait for the right opportunity to get a star, not trade for a bunch of guys just to fill out a conventional roster.

by orodag on Oct 15, 2008 4:54 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

correction

Rasheed Wallace is a star but he’s too old.

by orodag on Oct 15, 2008 4:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One more

There is the Chad Ford suggested Odom for Marion swap. I don’t think it solves any problems but I can see that move possibly more than the others that were listed.

by orodag on Oct 15, 2008 5:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You'd really do that Wiz scenario?

Because if Gilbert/Haywood ever return healthy, I’d jump on that and not think twice about it.

Might need to trade Jamison for something though.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Oct 15, 2008 11:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It sounded better when I wrote it, but I think I would still do it. The Wiz lineup would be pretty sick.

by PeninsulaIsMightier on Oct 16, 2008 9:51 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Obviously

the Wizards wouldnt do that trade until Arenas comes back. They’d lose some depth but Marion would make up for it. Also, they would need to move Butler to the 2 or move Jamison to the bench if that trade was made. And I agree, the Wizards lineup would be sick, except for the fact that they’d have to rely on Blatche to start every game at center until Haywood comes back.

by lj15 on Oct 16, 2008 10:25 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nene’s contract is disgusing. I mean, seriously? He’ll be getting 12 million in 2012? I wouldn’t do that deal. Plus, Denver is looking to cut costs. I can’t see them trading the cost-efficient Kleiza and resigning Marion for big money.

Hinrich is good, but not good enough for his current salary IMO. Also, Tyrus Thomas is a power forward, no? I don’t think he would really fit with Beasley.

Rasheed isn’t a personality I want in our young locker room.

Not a mehmet Okur fan.

To be honest, I don’t know enough about those Washington players to have an opinion on that last proposal.

I don’t really know what the Heat are going to do here. It feels like we could be looking at another lotto year if something doesn’t change, but I just don’t know if Marion has enough value to get someone in return that’s worth giving up cap space for.

by Heatfan318 on Oct 16, 2008 12:13 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marion is a 3 the Bulls just signed Deng for $80million

If you think that the Bulls are giving up Tyrus Thomas and Sefolosha for a player (Marion) whom they cannot resign because he is Ben Gordon’s deluded brother with regard to his self worth then you must be Ben Gordon’s other deluded brother.

I wouldn’t trade Sefolsoha or Thomas for Marion straight-up simply because we can’t/won’t resign Marion to an extension.

The Bulls have 5 maybe 6 “keepers” They are Rose, Deng, Thomas, Noah, and Sefolosha, and maybe Gray as a backup and true bigman. They are all young long and athletic if yet unproven. This should be their starting line-up but it won’t because coaches worry too much about guys contracts.

Sefolosha is better than Scottie Pippen at the same age, I think that his year would actually be Pippens rookie year, since he spent 4 years in college. Sefolosha will be the Bulls best all around guard after Rose, and he has Pippen potential. His length, fluid athleticism and defensive presense are world class, his shooting will come with work, just like it did for Pippen.

Thomas has Amare potential, if he can get his head in the right place, and this is not the year to give up on him. Rose can only help an athlete like Thomas.

Miami can have its choice of Hinrich, Gooden or Nocioni for Marion. They are getting quality rotation players for a player that they cannot/willnot resign either. The Bulls would be clearing playing time and helping team chemistry. Of course the Bulls could offer the same players to the Lakers for Lamar Odom, who would be a better fit as a starting 4 than Marion for the Bulls.

by BigWay on Oct 16, 2008 1:38 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nocioni’s got a mother of a contract (although Nene’s is too, as Heatfan318 correctly points out). I’d probably insist on Thomas as part of the deal, particularly if we’re giving up Chalmers, though I guess CHI doesn’t really need him.

by PeninsulaIsMightier on Oct 16, 2008 9:53 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marion doesn’t have the offensive abilities of a Scottie Pippen … the playmaking, passing, handle, go-to scoring …. that’s why he can never be one of the two best players on a title contending side, the offense would fall off.

I don’t think Marion has much value. His contract demands are out of control … his offensive limitations hurt him as a top player on a team … his age … the moody stuff he pulled off in Phoenix … game dependent on athleticism, and production has been declining ….. and clearly as the Shaq trade showed he doesn’t have much value around the league.

I think you can get something good but not you’re not getting an established All-Star. Maybe a top prospect or a borderline All-Star (eg Richard Jefferson).

by NBR on Oct 16, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

From a Blazer fan.

Would you consider a trade involving Marion for Sergio Rodriguez, Travis Outlaw, and Raef Lafrent’s expiring contract? It’s thirteen million off the books, and because he isn’t playing the first 41 games due to injury, there is a five million dollar “rebate” given to the owner.

I feel like it’s better than the Washington trade… Rodriguez has showed a better shot and is now trying at defense, while still abysmal at man-on-man. He has electrifying passing ability.

Pritchard has had offers of Mike Miller for Outlaw and the fifth pick for Outlaw, mainly because he has an ability to score and get his shot up at any time. He is also insanely athletic. The Blazers, however, need a small forward whose game is defense-oriented to fit in with their starting unit.

Not sure how the salaries match up… I assume it’s close as Outlaw is 3.5ish, Lafrentz is 13, and Sergio is around 2. If Marion is in the 18-20 neighborhood, that trade works.

There are other prospects that could be included. Jerryd Bayless, Channing Frye, Martell Webster, Nicolas Batum. The Blazers have a lot of young players.

by Cablinasian on Oct 16, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The problem always again becomes the headcase that is Marion

As much as Marion’s skillsets might fit in with what the Blazers are looking for I don’t see him deferring to the younger Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge very well. That’s always been a problem for The Matrix, not his game.

by Jaceman on Oct 17, 2008 1:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’d probably jump on that deal. But I’d want Frye, but not at the expense of Rodriguez or Outlaw. I’d really like Frye at center for us, kind of like a younger, better Mark Blount who is willing to make occasional physical contract with opposing players.

by PeninsulaIsMightier on Oct 18, 2008 8:48 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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